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Italy train tickets - Avoid Train Fines in Italy: Easy Train Ticket Validation Guide
Italy train tickets Are you traveling to Italy and want to take the train, but don’t know if you have to validate your ticket? Well, today, we will tell you all you need to know about validating your tickets when traveling by train in Italy. Andrea and I live in Italy, and we travel by train all the time. For this reason, we made this video to help you travel to Italy by train. Today we will tell you which Italy train tickets you need to validate. We will also tell you how to validate the train tickets. We will show you an app that lets you validate your train tickets from your phone. Finally we will tell you what you can do if you forget to validate your train tickets. So before buying a...
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Tourist mistakes in Italy - Italy Travel Hacks: Don't Be That Tourist! (Tips from Locals)
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Tourist mistakes in Italy Are you planning a trip to Italy? Well today, we will tell you some of the most common mistakes that tourists make and, most importantly, what you should do instead! Andrea and I live in Italy and travel around the country a lot. And believe us, we see a lot of tourists making the same mistakes over and over again. That’s why we came up with this video to help you avoi...
Visiting Milan in one day - Conquer Milan in a Day! | The Ultimate 1-Day Itinerary
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Visiting Milan in one day - Are you taking a trip to Italy and you want to spend one day in Milan but you don’t know what to do? Well today we will give you all you need to know to spend a great day in Milan, we will also give you a simple itinerary that will allow you to visit some of the most famous landmarks in Milan more efficiently. Obviously, you won’t be able to see everything there is t...
Costa Fortuna Cruise Review - Unveiling our Mediterranean Cruise Adventure
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Costa Fortuna Cruise Review We just got back from a 15-day, 14-night cruise on board the Costa Fortuna in the Mediterranean, and today, we will give you a full review of our experience. As usual, we will review every aspect of the cruise and rate it from one to five anchors! In this video we will review every aspect of our cruise on board of the Costa Fortuna. On this video Costa Fortuna cruise...
Visit Rome on a cruise - Stress-Free! Getting to Rome from Civitavecchia Port
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Visit Rome on a cruise - In this video, we’re going to answer the question “how to visit Rome on a cruise”, and cover everything you need to know - especially if it’s your first time visiting the city. Andrea and I live in Italy, and we visit Rome regularly. Also, we love to cruise, and we have been to Rome from the port of Civitavecchia several times. For this reason today we want to share wit...
Stress-Free Getaway! Milan to Lake Como & Switzerland in One Day
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Milan to Lake Como tour - Are you wondering how to visit Lake Como from Milan? Well today we will show you an easy and convenient tour from Milan to Lake Como and Lugano Switzerland! It will be a fantastic tour day that we want to share with you! Our Milan to Lake Como tour departs from Milano Porta Garibaldi train station and after a short bus ride we arrive at Lake Como. There we board a boat...
How to Make Pasta in Italy - An Incredible Experience With a Local Teacher
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readysetitaly.com/pasta_making_italy Do you want to learn how to make pasta in Italy - perhaps by a local teacher? A pasta-making class in Italy is definitely an unforgettable experience! This video will show you our fantastic private pasta-making class experience in Bologna, Italy - considered the world's food capital. However, you can do it in most large Italian cities like Rome, Florence and...
🆘 How Not to Get in Trouble in Italy - Secret Rules for a Smooth Trip to Italy
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Here's how not to get in trouble in Italy. Are you planning on visiting Italy and wondering what to do or how to avoid getting in trouble? Well, stay tuned because today we will tell you all you need to know to make your trip to Italy the best possible, and of course, by staying out of trouble. Andrea and I live in Italy. Actually, Andrea was born and raised here. So, you can trust us for an in...
Visiting Florence for the first time - Stress-Free Planning for Your First Trip
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Visiting Florence for the first time - Are you planning on visiting Florence for the first time? Well stay tuned because today we will tell you all you need to know to make your first trip to Florence the best it can possibly be. Andrea and I live in Italy, actually we live just an hour away from Florence, and we go there often to visit. So, you can trust us for an insider's view & essential ti...
Easiest tour of Rome - Hop-On Hop-Off WHO? This Tour is WAY More Fun!
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Easiest tour of Rome - Are you thinking of taking a hop on hop off bus tour of Rome? Well today we will give you a much better and easier alternative. With the easiest tour of Rome, you can see most of the highlights in just a few hours. This private golf cart tour takes you just a few steps away from almost all the main attractions in Rome. In fact the Hop on Hop Off bus can not go to many pla...
Are you Visiting Venice for the first time? Your Stress-Free Guide for First-Time Visitors
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Visiting Venice for the first time This video is your one-stop guide to an unforgettable Venetian adventure! We're Rick and Andrea, travel enthusiasts living in Italy, and we're here to share all our Venice tips and tricks. In this video, you'll learn: -The best time to visit Venice: Skip the scorching summer crowds and high prices. Opt for mild weather and fewer tourists in early spring or lat...
UNVEILING Pompeii's Secrets: 12 Mistakes Tourists Make (and How to avoid them)
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Don't do this in Pompeii - Are you thinking of visiting Pompeii Italy? Today we will give you 12 things you should avoid if you want to make your trip to Pompeii even more amazing! We live in Italy and we love going to Pompeii, it is such an amazing place. For this reason, we came up with twelve things you should not do in Pompeii if you want to have a wonderful visit. But not only that- We wil...
The TRUTH About Visiting Italy in the Summer (Pros & Cons)
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Visiting Italy in the summer pros and cons - Are you planning a trip to Italy and you are wondering if summer is a good time to go? Well today we will give you all the pros and cons of visiting Italy in the summer. Andrea and I live in Italy and we travel around the country all the time, for this reason we think we’re one of your best choices for expert tips about visiting Italy in the summer. ...
Planning a Trip to Rome? Watch This FIRST!
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Planning a Trip to Rome? Watch This FIRST!
Unveiling the Costa Smeralda: Our Two-Week Luxury Cruise Experience
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Unveiling the Costa Smeralda: Our Two-Week Luxury Cruise Experience
FOUND IT! Europe's Secret Country You Didn't Know Existed (Seborga)
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FOUND IT! Europe's Secret Country You Didn't Know Existed (Seborga)
Best cruise ever - Back on board the Costa Toscana in 2024 one year later
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Best cruise ever - Back on board the Costa Toscana in 2024 one year later
HACK Your Italian Vacation: Insider Tips for the Perfect Trip to Italy 🇮🇹
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HACK Your Italian Vacation: Insider Tips for the Perfect Trip to Italy 🇮🇹
Tips For An Incredible Day At Atlantis Aquaventure In Dubai
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Tips For An Incredible Day At Atlantis Aquaventure In Dubai
Costa Cruise HACKS! Make Your First Voyage AMAZING (Everything You Need to Know)
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Costa Cruise HACKS! Make Your First Voyage AMAZING (Everything You Need to Know)
Discover The Best Of Italy With Our Guide To Italian Public Holidays!
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Discover The Best Of Italy With Our Guide To Italian Public Holidays!
Conquer Milan: Top Tips You NEED Before Your Trip!
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Conquer Milan: Top Tips You NEED Before Your Trip!
Discover The Top Hidden Gem Cities In Italy To Visit In 2024!
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Discover The Top Hidden Gem Cities In Italy To Visit In 2024!
You Will Not Find These Things In Italy
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You Will Not Find These Things In Italy
One day in Tunisia - What to see from the port of La Goulette in one day!
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One day in Tunisia - What to see from the port of La Goulette in one day!
Marseille FREE shuttle bus from the cruise port to city centre
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Marseille FREE shuttle bus from the cruise port to city centre
Don't Waste a Minute! The PERFECT 2-Day Rome Itinerary (Free Download)
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Don't Waste a Minute! The PERFECT 2-Day Rome Itinerary (Free Download)
Cheapest Way to Sagrada Familia From Barcelona Port? You WON'T Believe This!
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Cheapest Way to Sagrada Familia From Barcelona Port? You WON'T Believe This!
Costa Favolosa Cruise Review - A complete review of our special Costa Club cruise
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Costa Favolosa Cruise Review - A complete review of our special Costa Club cruise
Marrakech Morocco - A City Back On Its Feet After An Earthquake
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Marrakech Morocco - A City Back On Its Feet After An Earthquake

Комментарии

  • @suelelievre5513
    @suelelievre5513 20 часов назад

    Thank you for this. I know it doesn't seem like something confusing, I worry about remembering to do it!!

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 19 часов назад

      If you use Omio it will remind you to check in

    • @suelelievre5513
      @suelelievre5513 19 часов назад

      @@TravelAddictsLife I have put that in my notes. Thanks again.

  • @louisedasilva6046
    @louisedasilva6046 22 часа назад

    Thank you for all your wonderful, informative and interesting videos. I was wondering if you have some suggestions for the best place to get a gondola. I would to see mostly smaller picturesque canals and not run into a gondola traffic jam 😂

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 22 часа назад

      If you want more of an intimate gondola ride go to the Cannaregio district of Venice it will be much quieter

  • @stepleung5686
    @stepleung5686 22 часа назад

    Thanks for the video. I am travelling with Italo with tickets booked online. Do I need to validate? thanks!

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 22 часа назад

      Italo is a high speed train with seats assigned so you should b e fine!

  • @louisedasilva6046
    @louisedasilva6046 22 часа назад

    That was an informative and easy to understand video. It answered a lot of questions. Thank you

  • @stephenadams-vr4jv
    @stephenadams-vr4jv День назад

    Get lost

  • @violetgaribyan-jg9ll
    @violetgaribyan-jg9ll День назад

    Thank you for sharing the taxi 🚕 it’s safe in Rome

  • @violetgaribyan-jg9ll
    @violetgaribyan-jg9ll День назад

    Thank you for sharing the taxis, safe in the room from airport

  • @paolomacedone453
    @paolomacedone453 2 дня назад

    Of course they are free... they are squares and streets and churches...

  • @fw0756
    @fw0756 2 дня назад

    A tip ,do not rent a car in Italy that has not got a spare wheel .

  • @mariasej83
    @mariasej83 2 дня назад

    Loved your video!!! How do you two feel about hiking in the Dolomites in October?

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 2 дня назад

      We went in October and it was quite beautiful. Cold in the morning and night

  • @risatedarte5366
    @risatedarte5366 2 дня назад

    Pantheon is no more free

  • @plathplath
    @plathplath 2 дня назад

    Thank you for this video that will help me a lot before my trip to Venice at the end of July. ruclips.net/user/shorts530DkNLf7gA

  • @TempusFugit2K
    @TempusFugit2K 2 дня назад

    Great Video guys! I´ll be visiting Venice in October, arriving from the Dolomites mid-morning and cannot stay but one day before heading to Croatia the next morning. I´m planning on parking the bike in Mestre (looking for a nice Hotel by Mestre Train Station with secure parking?) and spending the entire rest of the day in Venice & Murano. Any tips or Hotel suggestions appreciated. Again... great video!!

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 2 дня назад

      Thank you so much. We have made another video about Venice where we show all the best areas for hotels here it is: ruclips.net/video/PJxGIbXI30Y/видео.html

  • @stard00
    @stard00 3 дня назад

    8:44 I hate Pidgeons

  • @bikhanam
    @bikhanam 3 дня назад

    Hey! Great video. I'm Planning to visit Florence soon. However, couldn't download the map as it says, 'registration failed' 😅

  • @REASILVIA81
    @REASILVIA81 4 дня назад

    Beautiful Napoli😍💚🤍❤️ The background song is also beautiful... can you know what song it is please?😘

  • @ChauNguyen-rn9oj
    @ChauNguyen-rn9oj 4 дня назад

    Thank you for another great video <3

  • @apdaniel3735
    @apdaniel3735 4 дня назад

    Great video, as always; thank you! 🙌🏾🫶🏾💕🔥

  • @goodphone156
    @goodphone156 5 дней назад

    Thank you!

  • @chandimapriyashantha4964
    @chandimapriyashantha4964 5 дней назад

    Variy butipull village l livet ❤ tank for u ❤❤❤❤

  • @MrAresxy07
    @MrAresxy07 5 дней назад

    So...I should just find a long line to know that's real Gelato 👀

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 5 дней назад

      😂not necessary but it could be a good indicator

  • @jperez934
    @jperez934 5 дней назад

    Its very boring crowded ship. Would never book again. Everything is an additional expensive extra

  • @user-lf2qn5qp8f
    @user-lf2qn5qp8f 5 дней назад

    Thx !!!you guys are just he best !

  • @itsmetaran
    @itsmetaran 6 дней назад

    Great advice! Thank you.

  • @petermcdonald5909
    @petermcdonald5909 6 дней назад

    Great video. Great suggestions. Cheers

  • @tapioca88
    @tapioca88 6 дней назад

    this video and the other ones about venice were sooo helpful, thanks a lot!

  • @nicetubex
    @nicetubex 6 дней назад

    Spaghetti and meatball don't exist anywhere in Italy... ahahahaha... are you sure? Really sure? Sorry, wrong answer.

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 6 дней назад

      I lived in Italy almost all my life and I’ve never seen anything even close to what they call spaghetti and meatballs in North America

    • @nicetubex
      @nicetubex 6 дней назад

      @@TravelAddictsLife Have you ever visited Abruzzo? There's a traditional recipe, "chitarra con polpettine", or guitar made spaghetti with small meatballs. Anyway, is normal that you don't know this recipe. Abruzzo is the most unknown region in Italy and the most part of italian people know nothing about it.

  • @Destinavigator
    @Destinavigator 7 дней назад

    🎉 Nice video. I hope in the future, my Small Travel Channel can grow yours. Maby you have some tips? 😢

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 7 дней назад

      Thank you. Our biggest tip is try to find a niche and make videos that people want to watch

  • @alexwong9888
    @alexwong9888 7 дней назад

    Hi guys , enjoy your videos very much , very informative , Mean time I would like to ask , is it a good time to visit Rome/Venice/Florence in December month . I am planing for a trip to italy this coming mid December . Hope to hear from you soon . thanks in advance

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 7 дней назад

      Hello there, we love traveling in Italy in December, cities are less crowded and there are a ton of Xmas decorations all over. You'll love it

  • @notactuallymyrealname
    @notactuallymyrealname 7 дней назад

    Seconding the importance of planning and making reservations! I'm a seasoned traveler and on my first trip to Rome a couple of years ago, I made a reservation at the only museum I wanted to visit, a couple of market tours, and one nice restaurant for a lunch, expecting that I would be able to wing it the rest of the time -- but there's such an extensive tourism infrastructure in major Italian cities that it became overwhelming to just find a nice spot for a meal that wasn't catering exclusively to foreigners. I'll say I did fine for sightseeing on my wanderings (probably because I felt like I could see the Coliseum just fine from the outside!) and felt like I got to look at everything I wanted to. I ended up finding some good places to eat, and squeezing in at Roscoli on my final day, but had my share of mediocre meals as well, and when I'm back next year I'm definitely making more restaurant reservations a few weeks out.

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 7 дней назад

      Thank you for the feedback! You aere right finding a good restaurant without a reservation it is almost impossible nowadays.

  • @GetIntoLifeBudgetingLifestyle
    @GetIntoLifeBudgetingLifestyle 7 дней назад

    I enjoy your videos! I have a question you might be able to help with. While everyone is eager for attend pasta and pizza classes, my passion lies in desserts and meats. Do you know of any places in Florence offering cooking classes for making cannolis and other delightful sweets, or perhaps a grill master class to perfect meat cooking ? We'll be in Florence for about a week and would love to take a course, but haven't had any luck finding one.

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 7 дней назад

      Unfortunately most of the classes are about pasta making. We'll do some research and let you know if we find something about meat

  • @cathy1672
    @cathy1672 7 дней назад

    Do not take a Costa cruise if you are North American!! Just got off of Costa Toscana a month ago from a Mediterranean one week cruise. The Mediterranean and each port was amazing. But the everything about the ship was a nightmare, including the majority Italian and minority other European guests. Go see the Mediterranean but not on Costa, only on American focused lines. Europeans do not have or understand what customer service is. America is all about hard work and customer service. The food was exactly the same every day and mediocre. No staff brought you a drink, glass or water or anything in the buffets. The hours of the buffet were so short that people were pushing and shoving to get food and often you could not find a seat. In the buffet you could not get coffee or tea outside of breakfast hours. Coffee was terrible, unless you pay for the good stuff. The Europeans were rude and cut in line, pushed your glass away to get to water etc etc, never even an excuse me or sorry. Zero manners in allowing elderly or disabled first or off the elevators. If you were by the pool, there was a 45 min to an hour you had to wait in a lineup to get a drink!!! Oh almost forgot, the dinner buffet hours were 6:30 to 9pm. No food after that unless you order room service. And at 8:30 they were taking away the food, so if you got there 10min to 9:00 pm, nothing was left and they would get you nothing, not even a pice of lemon for your water, even though it was right in front of their face! The staff was overworked and inattentive. The toilet plugged up in our room they took 6 hrs to fix it! I never seen the person who cleans the cabin. Often having to find people to get new clean towels. The layout of the ship was horrible, could not find anything!! Trying to get a drink in the middle of the day, having to pass 3 bars bcs they were all closed!!! 30 min later I found a bar that was open. The shows were bad and the colosseum, basically theatre, was so poorly designed that outside of 10% of the audience, the others could not see anything. A couple of live bands were good. The organization of outside excursions were good. The swimming pools were too small and reeked of chlorine that I could not wash off for days. Could not use the hot tubs bcs dozens of children were sitting in each!!! Oh and let’s not forget the babies in their strollers at 1am at the nightclub!! I can go on and on with complaints, including you end up being charged for everything paying way more than budgeting. The worse cruise of my life, literally what nightmares are made off. I could not wait to go home!!

    • @cathy1672
      @cathy1672 7 дней назад

      PS: I am European living in Canada.

  • @petshopgirl39
    @petshopgirl39 7 дней назад

    The only thing you need to know is NOT to take the Heathrow Express and pay extortionate fares for the pleasure. The Elizabeth Line, part of the London Underground network, runs from Heathrow T2,3 & 5 and costs £13 one way during peak time. It’s fast too - it takes 40 minutes from T5 to London Liverpool Street station.

  • @GEMSTONE74
    @GEMSTONE74 8 дней назад

    Im going to ITALY this September for first time For my 50th bday Im a beginner wine drinker, so I watched this video to learn Im not really alcohol drinker but enjoy low content alcohol wine With that said I enjoy stella Rosa What othet Italian wine comparable to stella rosa?

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 8 дней назад

      Thank you for your comment 😊there are a lot of rose wines that you can try that are similar to the one you like, just ask for a rose wine when you order

  • @maumas1312
    @maumas1312 9 дней назад

    Sono cresciuto coi ravioli galluresi/planargesi fatti in casa da nonna, zie e mamma...immensi 🔥🫡🎩❤️🥰

  • @tangomaniac1
    @tangomaniac1 9 дней назад

    I saw this review before I signed up with a group. It was a 16 day cruise to Iceland. I got bad vibes from the review but I thought I'd sail because I was with a group. My review isn't 4 anchors. It's 5 torpedos! Beverage Program I bought a program that read "up to 20 juices." Absolutely misleading. Not 20 juices. 20 glasses of juices so on a 16 day cruise I ran out early. I had to buy an unlimited juice plan which cost 300 euros. Both plans cost 380 euros, that's about $420 US, I never paid for a beverage program on a cruise ship. I ordered Pineapple Juice in the buffett. I was told to go to the bar on deck, in the COLD. How's that for service. Dining Room You can't get coffee and ice cream. You have to go to buffet (deck 9) for coffee. When I got there, there wasn't any coffee because it's only served between 6 and 7 pm, the SAME time I'm in early seating. I saw a couple get ice cream, because they were vegans. I told the Maître d' that if you could service ice cream to them, it could be served to me. I finally got ice cream. You can't get ice cream because you have to go the "ice cream store." That's right. You have to pay for EVERYTHING" You get the idea. I'll NEVER sail on Costa again. I'm looking forward to getting the evaluation form so I can torpedo the ship.

  • @mfolson81
    @mfolson81 9 дней назад

    You guys are so helpful, we appreciate you both! I have the same blue/white flannel shirt, looks great!

  • @aminemellal2614
    @aminemellal2614 10 дней назад

    Very useful video, thank you

  • @LouvuiLove
    @LouvuiLove 10 дней назад

    Just booked an early access tour the the palace, prison, basilica & terrace 🤗 can’t wait and the early start I’m sure will be so worth it

  • @rosettevella8650
    @rosettevella8650 11 дней назад

    How much is it to go on the condola pls

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 11 дней назад

      Depends on the type of ride and if you want to share a gondola or do private, but it starts at €80 for half hour

  • @Tztimelord
    @Tztimelord 11 дней назад

    15 minutes of complaining and complaining and complaining. Enjoy the day guys. Just relax, take it easy. You visited heaven and only thing you did was complaining 😅

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 11 дней назад

      We did not complain not sure what you are referring about

  • @sylviatay554
    @sylviatay554 12 дней назад

    Thank you so much for this video guys. Practical and concise !

  • @mariacervera9930
    @mariacervera9930 12 дней назад

    Thank you both❤

  • @mariacervera9930
    @mariacervera9930 12 дней назад

    Thank You! ❤Venice❤

  • @arunashamal
    @arunashamal 13 дней назад

    Where does montepulciano d'Abruzzo comes from?

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 13 дней назад

      From Abruzzo a region on the east coast of central Italy

  • @sweyne6710
    @sweyne6710 14 дней назад

    Great video. We recently enjoyed our one day in Milano. The highlights for us were the trams, Spontini pizza right next to the Duomo and Cappucchino in the Galleria. So much preferred Milano to Florence.

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 14 дней назад

      We are very glad you liked it! Milan is a wonderful city

  • @RankinTries
    @RankinTries 14 дней назад

    We love the videos, they help us feel very prepared to visit around Italy! Do you have a video coming up for Modena?

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 14 дней назад

      Thank you so much for your nice comment. We do not have a video about Modena yet, which is really strange considering that we live in Modena 😂😂 but we will make one

  • @julezonyabrain
    @julezonyabrain 15 дней назад

    We plan to do this on our next trip. Does the tour make bathroom stops??

    • @TravelAddictsLife
      @TravelAddictsLife 14 дней назад

      Yes they do have one bathroom break but if you need to use the bathroom you can ask and they stop for you

  • @Carma4001
    @Carma4001 15 дней назад

    I will be coming to visit!

  • @jeanhawken4482
    @jeanhawken4482 16 дней назад

    Great advice it may be small but it is huge to get around. So much to see and not easy to traverse without some maps etc